A win-win solution to utilities, trees, and Park Plaza issues

Here is a win -win for everybody.

Let’s underground the trees and all currently above ground utility wiring.

We can leave all the homeless pigeons to roost in Park Plaza or they can all get the flock out of here.

John Walker

Laguna Beach


David J McDonald Jr.

David J McDonald, Jr., died peacefully of natural causes in his Laguna Beach home on 10/29/17. McDonald was a Professor of Drama at UCI until 2004. He earned his PhD from Stanford, his MFA from the Yale School of Drama and his BA from the University of Notre Dame.

During his career, he was the Founding Director of the Humanities Research Institute for the UC system, collaborated with Murray Krieger of the School of Criticism and Theory, directed plays, served as editor of Theatre Journal, and was instrumental in brining prominent international scholars, such as Jerzy Grotowski and Robert Weiman to campus.

He was also very instrumental in establishing the UCI Department of Drama and UC San Diego Department of Theatre’s Joint Doctoral Program in Drama and Theatre.

McDonald was born in Pittsburgh, PA to David J McDonald, former president of the Steel Workers Union (1960s) and Emily Price McDonald.

McDonald leaves behind his wife, Maura, and two sons: Sean, a book publisher in New York, and Charlie, a middle school math teacher and coach in Santa Ana, and three grandchildren. 

The family will hold a private memorial service in which his ashes will be spread in the Pacific Ocean, per his wishes.

Undergrounding access routes versus neighborhoods’ utilities

I live on Top of the World and our utilities have always been underground so I feel, as a low income resident, that I shouldn’t have to pay to underground another neighborhood’s utilities.  

As to undergrounding local access routes, that would be a different story.

Sandi Werthe

Laguna Beach

Undergrounding makes sense

While I am sure people are going to be up in arms about this I feel it is a good investment in the city to under ground the lines. I would be willing to pay more in taxes to have a safer (and visually cleaner city). Overhead poles/lines are a danger, inconvenience (whenever the canyon is closed due to an accident), and an eye sore. Hopefully we can come up with some answers to this problem. 

Kristen Weaver

Laguna Beach

Park Plaza is not attractive

Is it true it cost $24,000 to stage the Park Plaza in Laguna?  If so, the company/person who designed and staged it, made quite a profit!

It is not attractive at all and the tables and chairs look cheap and do not adhere to the beauty and charm of Laguna Beach.

We would not vote for the Park Plaza, as it is an eye sore at its current stage.

As Laguna Beach residents for 28 years, it is just our humble opinion.

Debbie and Mike Thornton

Laguna Beach

In favor of Park Plaza with reservations

Personally, I’d like Forest closed to traffic. All the walking streets I’ve ever seen increase foot traffic, which I feel would be an asset to all the shops on the street. So I was pleased to see a closure at Park Plaza but although I say I’m in favor of it I am disappointed in what it actually is. I would never sit down on a metal chair on an asphalt street. There is no beauty or character here. Why would anyone sit there with the beach beckoning?

Perry Stampfel

Laguna Beach

Let’s get the utilities underground

I ran the undergrounding of utilities in the El Mirador neighborhood. It made a huge difference for everyone and increased our property values. 

I noticed that Goff and Park Ave intersection had a lot of utility work on Tuesday. Lots of equipment, trucks and workers snoozing in their trucks. It was a repair and reinforcement of existing poles.

Let’s get all Laguna utilities underground and in the Canyon too.

Walker Reed

Laguna Beach

Undergrounding: Do the math

Do the math...estimated cost $250,000,000...Utility electric meters 15,000...equals about $17,000 per meter.

The effective cost of a $17,000 20 year bond will be about $100/month at current interest rates. Who wants to be forced to pay an additional $100/month for electricity?

So here is what should happen. Each meter gets a vote. Votes are counted. Take the number of votes in favor and divide them into $250,000,000.  Inform the in favor voters what their new share of the cost would be and take another vote. Continue this process until the new vote is the same as the last vote and issue a bond to the remaining in favor voters for their share.

J T Price

Laguna Beach

Park Plaza a great idea but needs fixing

I love the Plaza idea, but the execution caught most folks off guard. It looks nothing like the renderings, which had plants and more substantial/elegant furniture. Fix those things and I think most folks will come around. The temporary road block makes it look like a construction zone, and that wasn’t in the renderings as well. 

Kirk Morgan

Laguna Beach

Park Plaza not a good plan

I vote no. It messes up traffic circulation. If you come from the north and try to get to the parking structure your only choice is Forest Ave, which is always congested, or to drive up to Legion and try to make a left turn. The light at Legion backs up traffic on Coast Hwy.  

Not a good plan. The park only seems to benefit one restaurant. I would rather see more benches if the city wants places for people to sit.

Larry Lewis

Laguna Beach

Park Plaza is tacky

No to the tacky looking Park Plaza. I have been a regular user of the Library for the last 60 years and now it is difficult to get to and find a place to park. In summer when traffic backs up from upper Park Avenue trying to get to Coast Highway, there is no way to turn into the library as cars are backed up beyond Glenneyre. On Coast Highway turning left onto Forest, or turning right onto Forest backs up, even when the lower Park section was open for traffic. Just what we do not need is losing parking spaces.

I agree with the sentiments expressed by Roger Butow.

Robert Leedom

Laguna Beach

Undergrounding is not worth the cost

Cosmetically pleasing as undergrounding may be, it is not worth the cost. Recently the City emerged from a bond issue that tapped permanent residents for the past 20 years on exactly the same issue: undergrounding.

An issue de jour promoting undergrounding, power lines cause fires, should be applied to a real problem here in Laguna: trees! Hiding under such excuses as ‘takings’ and aesthetics, trees are the source of genuine harm with exfoliation and view blocking. The trees most flagrantly errant are palms and eucalyptuses, neither of which being indigenous to Laguna Beach yet a gutless City Council refuses to undertake remedial programs such as that in Palos Verdes to mitigate their tree problem.

Insofar as undergrounding is concerned you need look no further than the experience of other Southern California cities in which vault fires, flooding and the effects of landslides and earthquakes have caused significant power disruptions. Undergrounding shall result in significant power disruption is simply a matter of time.

Finally, it is apparent that any such measure will probably pass since most voters are renters or ‘home owners’ for a nominal seven years with little or no vested interest in the community and to whom the cosmetic and superficial appeal. But the permanent residents get stuck with another couple of hundred dollars tacked onto their property taxes for the next 20 years.

John Kountz

Laguna Beach

In support of undergrounding

Has anyone met with someone on the Del Mar City council to inquire about their successful underground transformation? Del Mar is a town much like Laguna, and the residents are extremely happy with the results they achieved. The city is more beautiful than ever without the electrical poles and wires – and so much safer now that the utilities are out of harm’s way. Just taking a drive through Del Mar makes one aware of how much more open and pleasing the vista is minus the utility lines, connections, power boxes, and poles. I don’t know how much time it took to accomplish such results, or what the cost was to the city, but I imagine that information is readily available upon inquiry.

We have lived in Laguna for over forty years, and we are totally in support of the proposed undergrounding in our own town. It is our fervent hope that this project will be accomplished within the next few years.

Thank you for the opportunity to express our thoughts and feelings on this issue.

Linda and Mike Hogan

Laguna Beach

Park Plaza restricts flow of traffic

This is perhaps the most idiotic concept of a “park “ I have ever seen.

In a city replete with beautiful parks and spectacular beaches, why would we further eliminate parking spaces and restrict the flow of traffic?

Douglas Ammerman

Laguna Beach

Park Plaza not very attractive

Interesting topic.  I voted no on this issue for several reasons:

Major inconvenience for those living on Park Avenue having to drive to Legion to make a left turn to go home.

Not a very attractive place to eat when you have the back door for businesses/restaurant kitchens opening to the street...noisy and smelly.

Not very attractive to look at dumpsters by the library parking.

Who is on clean up duty?

Claudia Redfern

Laguna Beach

Not in favor of Park Plaza

No [I am not in favor]! Takes much needed parking, as well as an alternative route from PCH. 

Kathy Rosenberger

Laguna Beach

Alternative location for Park Plaza?

[Plaza] Park is relatively dark and narrow. It also provides a route around much of the bottleneck in the village and on Coast Highway.

It appears that a more natural and desirable location for the “plaza” would be Forest Avenue between Coast Highway and Glenneyre. It is wide, relatively sunny and is already difficult to utilize as a thoroughfare because of the large amount of foot traffic at the intersection of Forest and Glenneyre.

Ed Schlatter

Laguna Beach

Yes to Park Plaza – if improved

I vote yes to make this permanent if it is landscaped beautifully and attired with artistically suitable tables and chairs and possibly an “Art in Public Places” sculpture is added.  

Mary G Schmidt

40-year resident, Laguna Beach

Park Plaza a good idea if better parking solutions are found: some ideas

Since the Plaza at Park Ave was installed I’ve heard mixed feelings but most people I’ve talked to feel it has caused more of a traffic problem. I truly understand why some want to have more of a pedestrian friendly and park like atmosphere for the downtown but we first need to find a way for less cars looking for parking to achieve this.  

If we could get the amount of volunteers and nonprofit groups to spend more time and energy on getting the cars to park out of town or at the parking lot at the end of Laguna Canyon we might see a change where more Plazas could be all over the downtown area.  There could be a Free Parking festival one day out there offering free rental bikes for people that would like to ride down the canyon and if they wanted to turn in the bikes somewhere in town and take a trolley back to the parking lot there could be that option.  

I know most of you think this is too dangerous, all the more reason we need a pedestrian walking trail and a bike path on Laguna Canyon Road going all the way out to Irvine. The marquee sign along the road could say, “You could be riding a bike not sitting in your car in traffic” [or] “Turn around and go park at the Free Parking lot and ride a Trolley for free.”  

My point is before we do more Plazas around downtown, closing streets and taking up parking spots, let’s work on getting less cars driving into Laguna. 

Liza I. Stewart

Laguna Beach

Park Plaza not a good idea

I am against this park. Very few people use the park, we lose eight parking spaces, and causes traffic congestion.

Andy Turner

Laguna Beach

Keep Park Plaza

Yes, the experiment has gone well...keep it!

Diane Valentino

Laguna Beach

Two reasons to vote no on Park Plaza

I voted against the Long Term Pedestrian Plaza at Park Avenue for two reasons. One, every time I go past the so-called Pedestrian Plaza, I see either nobody or very few people sitting on the tables.  

Two, and the biggest reason, I’ve lived in Laguna for 44 years and each year traffic is exponentially worse. Blocking off that critical street only exacerbates the problem. It boils down to a quality of life issue and the average citizen of Laguna should have a greater say than the merchants.

Scott Whitlock

Laguna Beach

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